tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7949832150146423962.post3587928209471422630..comments2011-05-27T03:36:32.536-05:00Comments on not all who wander are lost...: new strategy: out breed, out educate, out last--survivorAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12186595162229320722noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7949832150146423962.post-38182818288848233582009-08-27T22:45:04.177-05:002009-08-27T22:45:04.177-05:00Just to be clear, I am only talking specifically a...Just to be clear, I am only talking specifically about Voddie in the first paragraph. I also do not hold him responsible for every belief his followers hold. In that paragraph, I am only commenting on things he has said publicly. {as such, I am not going to talk about points one and two. I am sure what you say is true about VB, but it is not true about many HSers}. I do stick to my points concerning him specifically: 1. He is publicly vocal that all believer should pull out of PS, and 2. he has a foot in both worlds-He makes money from one while promoting Christianity in more general ways (ever loving truth for example) and then goes to the HS crowd and gives them fodder. I personally have a very forward stance on culture. Do you think it would be hypocritical of me to go talk to some crowds about cultural integration and then others about the dangers of the world?<br /><br />The latter half of the post is not directly to the FIC crowd (ironically, i am actually FIC in many respects though I dont attend an FIC church). I realize you are connected with a specific FIC church and probably read every reference personally. I have been to quite a few FIC churches in several parts of the country and have spent time talking with lots of FICers. [I actually have heard some positive things about VB's church in terms of outreach which I haven't seen at other churches]<br /><br />The longer I live the more I realize there are no silver bullets. The sin nature is from within, and is ever present. I know HSers and PSers who have grown up to be heathens and saints. The common denominator is, obviously, not education.<br /><br />Concerning Daniel: yes, he is a great example for us to emulate. Check out Jesus' prayer in John 17. He wants us to be in and among the world and yet not of it (especially v14-19). I dont think HS is necessarily a violation of this, btw. I am actually a big fan of family evangelism.<br /><br />I apologize if you found the tone of my post offensive. My goal is to encourage all models of church to become more missional. Achieving this goal requires some degree of critique and analysis. I do stick by the thesis of the post [that reliance in a system over Christ is sin, and christian education is not the "fix-all"] and this was my goal, rather than going after individuals [though I wish they would drop the SBC resolutions bit because it is meaningless and just makes us look unnecessarily odd].Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12186595162229320722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7949832150146423962.post-79598784115066370022009-08-27T21:46:35.366-05:002009-08-27T21:46:35.366-05:00As someone who knows the Baucham family personally...As someone who knows the Baucham family personally, I think that you’re giving a one-sided view of what Pastor Voddie believes. Now, I don’t speak for him, and what I give below—-while reasons—-aren’t necessarily his primary ones for homeschooling.<br /><br />First of all, he does not believe that homeschooling will automatically produce a godly person, nor that a godly person cannot come out of the public school system—-he came out of it himself!<br /><br />Secondly, he does not homeschool because he believes that a good environment will produce good behavior; rather he homeschools because he wants to be there to deal with the bad behavior that <i>will</i> come as a result of the child’s sin nature.<br /><br />Thirdly, he does not believe in “pull[ing] out of society.” He is homeschooling in order to equip his children to effectively engage the world, rather than throwing them in before they have the maturity and solid foundation to withstand the onslaught. <br /><br />Regarding your appeal to the example of Daniel: Does the fact that God uses a particular circumstance and preserves someone’s faith in the midst of it mean that that circumstance is ideal or should be sought out? If a person is truly regenerated, then, yes, God will preserve his faith, but that doesn’t mean that the person can’t adopt unbiblical ways of living or thinking due to outside influences. Yes, we have to trust God for the lives and faith of our children, since nothing, homeschooling or anything else, gives a guarantee, but God still commands us to take action in raising our children in the fear of the Lord. <br /><br />On last thought: please be careful about lumping everyone in the FIC movement together. Our family is actively participating in both the FIC and homeschool movements, yet we have observed and agree with some of the problems you’ve been pointing out. Far too many FICers see FIC as an end in and of itself, rather than the way they do church and carry out the Great Commission. Such churches become very inwardly focused, lacking outreach or biblical ministry, but it doesn’t have to be that way! Used properly, FIC becomes a powerful means of equipping families to work side-by-side to impact their communities-- not to mention that it is a much more natural model to take to other parts of the world. It would be wrong to step into a family-oriented culture and try to implement an age-segregated program.Annahttp://www.pedersenwritings.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com